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Posted on Jul 11, 2005 in Carlo D'Este, Front Page Features

Monty: World War II’s Most Misunderstood General, Part 1

By Carlo D'Este

Perhaps the most controversial of the Allied World War II battlefield generals, Montgomery became a lightning rod of controversy both for his perceived arrogance and, all too often, for simply being right. He was one of the few to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of the British Army of World War II which, as historian Sir Michael (Lord) Howard, a veteran of the desert war and holder of a Military Cross for valor, has observed, "was not very good."8 During the interwar years its leadership had failed to develop a common doctrine of employment for the infantry, and its use of armor proved unimaginative and ineffective on the sands of the Libyan desert.

Historian Eric Larrabee has written that, "The prewar British army was idea-resistant to a degree . . . and it had no George Marshall to weed out deadwood and nurture the gifted. The strategy of poking at the perimeter of Europe and hoping for the best was not sophisticated, it was merely the acceptance of the inability to do anything else."9

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To the dismay of professionals like Brooke, the British Army chain of command was rife with far too many "good old boys" whose chief qualification for their rank and position was by virtue of their social class rather than their proficiency as soldiers. The higher ranks of the British Army were populated with men Brooke wanted desperately to remove but could not because there were no qualified men to replace them. As Lord Noel Annan notes, "The British officer between the wars was not the professional he is today. The Army provided him with a life in which hunting, shooting and playing games was almost considered to be part of his work . . . He knew the points of a horse, not of a tank. He cared for his men, but his horizon rarely rose above the regimental mess."10

Moreover, too many of Britain’s future generals had died as promising young officers during World War I which had claimed the lives of a million men whose crosses filled the cemeteries that sprouted like mushrooms in the war’s aftermath. During the dark days in Britain after the humiliation of Dunkirk, Brooke lamented, "How poor we are in Army and Corps commanders. We ought to remove several but heaven knows where we shall find anything very much better."11

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Like Eisenhower, Montgomery sprang from the relative obscurity of the middle ranks of the Regular officer corps and despite an impressive record during World War I; he too languished during the interwar years. In a tradition-filled army where being a "nice chap" was considered de rigueur, Montgomery, the outsider, wore his nonconformity as a badge of honor and refused to respect such constraints. New Zealand’s General Sir Bernard Freyberg, holder of the Victoria Cross, who once called Montgomery a "little bastard" also proclaimed, "If Montgomery is a cad, it’s a great pity that the British Army doesn’t have a few more bounders."12

Monty’s character traits intensely annoyed the old guard of the British Army. An example of its absurd class-consciousness was a remark by [Marshal of the Royal Air Force Sir Arthur, later Lord] Tedder that, "the trouble with Monty was that he was anything but a ‘nice chap,’" and another by Field Marshal Lord Gort that: "In dealing with him one must remember that he is not quite a gentleman."13

In the hidebound, élitist British Army, Montgomery was the ultimate outsider, an anti-authoritarian, black sheep "Colonial" in an exclusive old-boy’s club where one’s lineage and social standing counted for more than one’s ability. His official biographer, Nigel Hamilton, notes, "Monty’s genius – as Rommel’s – would be to see, instinctively and in a manner that had eluded the callous commanders of World War I, that great military leadership in a people’s century could still be achieved, despite the mechanical, inhumane nature of ‘total war’ . . ."14 Montgomery was the first British general to openly signal his rebellion and his disdain for membership in this exclusive club by his refusal to wear conventional military dress. What counted was only that his troops received his message loud and clear.

Possessed of a priceless asset in the same stubborn, bulldog-like traits as Churchill, little ever daunted him. It took far more than another "nice chap" in September 1942 when Montgomery assumed command of a beaten and dispirited Eighth Army which had been pushed all over the western desert and humiliated by Rommel. "The bad old days are over," he said, "a new era has dawned." Issuing perhaps his most famous order, Montgomery threw down the gauntlet by ordering all previous plans for retreat to be burned. "We will fight the enemy where we now stand; there will be no withdrawal and no surrender. If we cannot stay here alive, then let us stay here dead!" The impact was electric.

Montgomery shrewdly recognized his army’s limitations and never asked them to carry out missions for which they were not capable. As a senior RAF officer, Air Vice-Marshal E.J. Kingston-McCloughry, has written," It was sheer leadership, character, courage, self-confidence, showmanship and ‘drama’ . . ."15

It was his traits of outrageous behavior and showmanship that catapulted Montgomery to fame. Churchill not only condoned but also encouraged individualism, which mirrored his own eccentric behavior. Once, when a critic complained that Montgomery was wearing unauthorized badges on his bush hat, Churchill retorted, "If I thought that badges would make my other generals as good as Monty I would order them all to wear badges."16

Monty’s relations with Dwight Eisenhower during the last two years of the war were often difficult and thoroughly tested Ike’s patience. Although Ike disdained men with mammoth egos, the two men had more in common than either realized. Both were driven by a passionate hatred of the evils of Nazism and a fierce desire to smite their common enemy on the field of battle. And, both were unsparingly candid in their private, often critical, opinions of their fellow professional soldiers.

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The most significant difference between the two men was what historians Dominick Graham and Shelford Bidwell called Monty’s fundamentalism. "Nothing would induce him to compromise between what he considered militarily sound and the politically desirable,"17 whereas Eisenhower frequently sought compromise, if for no other reason than to assuage the demands of having to answer to too many masters. What Montgomery saw as black and white was to Eisenhower a multi-hued color. Unconcerned with anything but what he deemed militarily sound, Monty’s candor and refusal to compromise was both a strength and a source of friction with Eisenhower and others. Outspoken to a fault, where others would sugarcoat, Montgomery would publicly lambaste. A modern day counterpart that comes to mind is Senator John McCain of Arizona.

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75 Comments

  1. Montgomery demonstrated the insececurity of a short man at almost every opportunity .While choosing in Africa to build up a public persona , Rommel’s legend is strictly accomplishment based .While seeking out ways to annoy superiors , he demanded unconditional obediance from subordinates .Eisenhower’s task was far above anything a Montgomery could have accomplished because of his insecurities .He wasn’t interested in getting the job done , but claiming the creadit for it was his aim as well as denying that credit to others .A small man in many ways , very similar to Patton and McCarthur . Average generals not in the catagory of a Rommel or a Zukov

    • Ah, bull. Another cad who watched the film “Patton” and things Monty climbed to the top of the mountain by falling there. Montgomery was the best general of WWII and would even be effective in the modern era.

      • His sucesses in North africa, Monty is an incredibly overrated general, in part because the British Army of the time was not willing to take risks that other generals would. He failed to close the gap at Falaise when Patton could have if Bradley had not been so timid & his arrogance in Demanding that Market Garden go on despite the presence of German armor is one of his greatest failures. Never aggressive enough and always waiting for everything to be in place. Reminds me in many ways of McClellan. – I once knew a survivor of the British 1st who was still so bitter some 8 ars after the battle that he refused to talk about it.

    • Not in the category of a Rommel. Didn’t Montgomery defeat Rommel twice? Alamein and in Normandy?

      • For all of you who are so impressed that Montgomery defeated Rommel, here is a little test. Imagine Monty in command of the Afrika Korps – outnumbered, low on supplies and equipment, including tanks, fuel and air cover. Now imagine his opponent – Rommel in command of the allied forces, swimming in fuel, no supply problems, air superiority, complete naval superiority, out numbering the Afrika Korps in tanks, men artillery and everything else. How long do you think Monty’s Afrika Korps would have lasted against Rommel’s 8th Army?

      • No one has mentioned a quite important detail about Montgomery’s successes in North Africa; intelligence. Due to cracking the German enigma code, Montgomery knew in advance much of Rommel’s plan. And the British were hesitant to share that information initially with their allies.

      • Three times: at Alam el Halfa awa well.

      • Well considering at Alamein he had superior numbers in infantry tanks artillery aircraft and the short supply line. Anybody of even moderate competence would have broken through. In Normandy you do realize it wasn’t just Monty fighting the Germans right?

  2. Monty beat Rommel…EVERY time they came up face to face. Monty’s Market Garden was almost successful, while Patton was mired down in Metz for 3 months.

    Bottom line: You cannot judge a person’s skill based upon their personality. Sometimes, real @#@$@’s are the best at what they do.

    • Logistics beat Romel far more than Monty.
      “When one comes to consider that supplies and materiel are the decisive factor in modern warfare, it was already becoming clear that a catastrophe was looming on the distant horizon for my army.”
      I.Rommel

      • Oh and I suppose Montgomery had nothing to do with ensuring the 8th Army and 21st Army Group where properly equipped.

      • Rommel was not that good he knew his supplies were limited he over reached and took a drubbing. I prefer General Cooper Clarkes opinion of Montgomery he served under him at the latter stages of the battle of St Vith.

  3. “General Montgomery’s plan was a failure. It not only failed to encircle and trap the Germans, it also failed in that it lost and wasted thousands of tons of supplies that could have been used by other armies (especially the Third Army) to continue their successful attacks. Because none of the plans were accomplished, it was also a waste of many soldier’s lives. Lastly, it caused unnecessary destruction in the Netherlands. After it was all over, Prince Bernard of the Netherlands said, “My country can never again afford the luxury of another Montgomery success.””

    http://pattonhq.com/textfiles/thirdhst.html

    • The 3rd Army, under Patton, did well when mopping up scattered fleeing Germans. When it hit Metz, it hit a brick wall, a wall Monty would have crumbled in the 1/3rd of the time.

      • “Eisenhower’s decision created a shortage of gasoline and other necessary supplies that were badly needed by the Third Army to keep up its fast-paced advance. Without these supplies the Third Army was forced to slow down and finally to halt its rapid advance.

        This was another decision made by Eisenhower and his officers at SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force) that would become very controversial later. Many people thought, and still think, that if the Third Army had not been stopped when it was, it might have been able to bring the war to a close by the end of 1944, instead of the middle of 1945.”

        http://pattonhq.com/textfiles/thirdhst.html

        Monty kept on taking supplies that Patton needed to keep advancing. If he hadn’t, Metz would have been taken much faster. And on another note, the 3rd army was on the front lines, not “mopping up fleeing germans.” They left the up to the other armies. They were always advancing, and had the BEST record of any army of WWII.

      • Seriouslynow

        Your comments seemed based on British national pride rather than reality. Monty had a history of ignoring orders, causing massive loss of life and allowing German armies to escape solely because of his ego.

        His record as a commander has consistently been under attack by objective historians who correctly view him as a general who would rather prolong the war and cause mass death rather than have anyone become vicorious other than him and his army no matter what the cost. The Americans should have insisted that Monty be relieved of command in order for continued financial and armament support to the British.

        Montgomery brazenly trashed American fighting capabilites when the reality was that the Americans were the best fighting men in the world in World War II and did not allow the Germans time to dig in and rearm themselves while they took a day off “for tea”. American generals would have never said such things about British soldiers as did Monty about the Americans.

        While the Americans had their prima donnas, Patton and McArthur, these generals are largely lauded by historians, particularly in their effective use of military strategy. No general in the Allied Forces is more loathed by history than Montgomery.

      • You mean Monty would have taken Metz the way he took Caen? And as I recall, Montgomery’s “Operation Market Garden” was a catastrophic failure as well, costing the Britain her 1st Para’s Division and accomplished very little else except emptying an asylum and killing thousands of allied soldiers.

      • He could have taken Metz in 1/3 the time? You mean like he took Caen?

      • You sir are blind to facts

  4. From what I read about ‘Monty’, he was an old style typ’o’general. Very authoritarian, close to his troops and highly believing in British Empire. Hence even his military genius (proven in field), Allies, especially Americans ‘were not fond of him’. I think it’s mostly US as the commanding state of western front that has created such evil image of him.

    Apropos Patton, Montgomery would never send his men to certain death. Now we can argue if Patton’s punch through Sigfried line and run on Berlin was worth the casualties but whether we compare their tactics or not Monty managed pull his men out of most trouble.

    Another issue is that allied hq was full of ego-bearers so from press arena, it were those with better political connections that are known as heroes.

    • Montgomery was a general who “never sent his men to certain death?” If that’s true then he was a useless general! My friend, I fought in several wars in Asia, Africa and South America for a period of 15 years. Any General or officer or sergeant who doesn’t send men to death loses every war he fights in. For there is one certainty in EVERY war since time began: People have to die. That’s how wars are won. A good general figures strategies that allow fewer of his men to die than the enemy.

      For your reference, there is a book titled “Caen: The Anvil of Victory” by McKee that will enlighten you how many Canadians he sent to their death. Monty was apparently willing to fight to the last Canadian.

      • Indeed – the English have a way of using colonials as their sandbags – ask Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and especially the Irish.

    • Arnhem.

  5. he was a good leader : )

  6. The guys was an arrogant buffoon. I tend to agree with his critics.
    How about you write about the operation Market Garden in the Rhura in Germany- British Intelligence chief- Urquhart had warned him (even sent spitfires to confirm) that near Arnhem there were two additional Panzer Divisions extremaly experienced in combat, which would have destroy the MG operation easily. He was warned yet he chose not to listen to those who were telling him this is too risky. He even went as far as apparently sending poor Mjr Urquart to hospital claiming he is “too stressed and over exaggerating the situation”…
    Well- the fiasco was unavoidable, good soldiers died there for nothing- among them thousands of Polish dessant jumpers. Professional risk in anyother situation- but what I cannot forgive and forget- is teh fact that after that that little punk Monty blamed the lost battle on those Pols saying they were cowardly, whereas facts are that by percentage they have lost more soldiers in tehir formation in this particular action than any other brigade.
    And that paints a picture of typical English arrogant, set in his ways, buffoon who though he was unmistakable.
    Worth to be mentioned in history as an a coward, lier, and unworthy to be on this “hall of heroes” wall.

    • In reply to “The other Highlander” I think that simply ranting does not add anything to the debate at all. The rational argument has surely to be based on facts. The battle of Normandy was a masterpiece which, whilst he was only in command of the ground forces, was very much Monty’s battle. Criticism of Montgomery simply falls away when one considers the fact that he planned it to take 90 days, and it did, he crushed Rommel for the second time, and Von Rustend, The silly arguments about Patton and fuel also fall away when it became clear that the broad front strategy was a political not a military decision. Patton stole gas, fair enough, but he went nowhere with it. The decisive front, in the west, was in the
      north and it was the crossing of the Rhine and the elimination of the Ruhr followed by the dash to Hamburg that was where the Allied victory was most important. Patton, don’t forget went off in search of the mythical redoubt in the mountains of Bavaria. Now, let us consider what happened after Monty was replaced by Ike as ground commander, the battle bogged down stalled all along the line and the Germans counter attacked in the Ardennes, battle of the bulge, and routed the American army causing 80,000 casualties. This was a direct result of the American political interference in the military strategy. Montgomery was naturally miffed and the American generals were embarrassed and hated to see him, who likes a smart arse who is actually right, insufferable! And Monty let them have it, and nearly lost his job because of it.
      To sum him up, Monty – Great General, Politically inept.

      • The thrust to the north that Montgomery advocated would have captured the Ruhr Valley. Sadly, Montgomery would not have launched such and attack in much less than 6 to 9 months. Thus the war would have dragged on for another year.

        Remember Montgomery was the master of planning and not much action in the short term. He failed to capture Caen by his own deadline, D+3, and in fact took some months to do it. His operation Market Garden was a disaster cost thousands of Americans and a British Airborne division.

        Finally, while Montgomery was planning and lining up his logistics, what were the half million American troops going to do? Smoke and Joke with the Germans? Remember Britain was at the bottom of her manpower barrel and had no significant reinforcements for Monty.

        The Americans by reason of supply, armaments and troop numbers were in charge of the war by now. The “BULGE” was a terrible battle and the only General who had plans for what to if it did happen was Patten. The reason thereafter that Patton Pushed around scattered pockets of Germans was, of the 250,000 Germans who participated in the Ardennes offensive, about three quarters became casualties or captured. As the Falaise Pocket would have been had Montgomery his objective in a timely fashion, the Ardennes Battle was a catastrophe for the Germans and crippled their capacity in the west, This course made things much easier for Montgomery as well.

      • Monty was a bold-faced liar that constantly revised his statements to match situations after circumstances had changed. His D-Day plans clearly called for a quick conquest of Caen and his army breaking into the open plains and charging toward Paris. How he thought that could be done in three days when his spearhead stopped ten miles inland and didn’t advance for a full day, is unclear.

        Yet, as the days dragged into weeks, he began making public comments that it was his plan all along to get into a slugfest and draw German panzer divisions to him in order for the Americans to break out. Those were blatant lies. He continually contradicted himself, his stated goals and plans whenever he failed to fulfill them. I never understood why no one called him out when he did it.

        Montgomery could devise bold strategies but he was not the type general to pull them off. Market Garden required bold leadership, especially the leader of the column. Apparently, the British commander lacked a sense of urgency.

        Importantly, a great general demonstrates the ability to take advantage of opportunities presented to him on the midst of battles, in real time, regardless of the original plans. After all, it is the fog of war. Patton and several excellent generals in his armored units constantly took advantage of unfolding circumstances of 3rd Army’s breakout.

        Two examples of opportunities not capitalized on by British forces under Montgomery are closing the Falaise gap (outlined well in another comment) and another you rarely hear mentioned, the failure of the taking the bridges North of Antwerp, trapping the German 15th Army and cutting off the peninsula that formed the Scheldt estuary.

        The bridges were virtually undefended the first day the Canadians and British entered Antwerp and it took months to clear the estuary and at great cost. It was also the 15th that contributed to the failure of Market Garden.

    • What evidence is there for this claim that Montgomery blamed the failure of Market Garden on the Poles, calling them cowardly? That is simply not a remark he could have ever made given what all knew was the Poles’suicidal courage. Quite the contrary. The chief criticism of Monty is of his supposed over caution, but this was forced on him given that Britain simply did not have the manpower to replace high casualties, besides which much of the British Army was under trained and poorly equipped. That was not true of the elite troops taking part in Market Garden though and this elite was used with audacity, which is what they were formed for. It was a gamble that could have finished Germany by that Christmas. True, it didn’t come off, but now we have Monty criticised not for caution but boldness. Is audacity only to be praised when it pays off? The presence of the German tanks was not a certainty. The source of that intelligence was the Dutch resistance which the British knew had long been penetrated by the enemy. As for Caen: Monty was facing seven panzer divisions, dug in, while Bradley at the other end of the bridgehead faced two. Without that imbalance, which Montgomery intended and encouraged, no breakout by the Americans would have been feasible at that time. This was a team effort and it’s a mistake to compare generals as if they were acting in isolation or competition. That makes for good movies, possibly, but such clashes were aberrations from the general course of events. Otherwise, we would have lost that war. As to who produced the best rank and file soldiers. Sad to say the Germans inflicted a greater ratio of casualties on the Allies by some way; and who took on two thirds of the German Army from mid 1941 and yet defeated it? Well not the British or the Americans.

    • First l would suggest you carry out some research on the subject matter, it will save you from acting like a buffoon.

      Montgomery had an idea to take the five bridges, that he took to Eisenhower who give it his full support. As Montgomery was fully tasked with the planning of Operation Varsity he delegated the operational planning to General Horrocks of XXX Corp, General Browning 1st Airborne Division and the respective commanders of the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions.

      Urqhart was not an intelligence officer he was the commander of British Airborne forces during the Arnhem drop, actually the drop took place at Renkum 16Km from Arnhem.

      The intelligence officer that received information from the Dutch resistance re the German panzers was a captain who reported to General Browning who disregarded the information and did not divulge the information to Urqhart.

      Each element of the operation was timed, any delay them the operation would fail. The Americans failed to capture the Nijmegen Bridge over the river Waal for two and a half days, the bridge was finally captured with the help of the Guards Armoured Division.

      The Americans also failed to capture the canal bridge at Sonn that was destroyed by the Germans and it took 30 hours to bring up and build a Bailey Bridge.

      Therefore the delays at the Nijmegen and Sonn bridges prevented XXX Corps advance to Arnhem and that’s how the operation failed.

  7. Montgomery was ground forces commander for the D day invasion and won the battle of Normandy. You Americans are so pathetic in seeming to think only an American General could win battles. All we ever hear from you arrogant people is the cry ‘Market Garden’. When in fact the ‘Battle of the Bulge’ was a greater set back for the allies.Montgomery was a great general, if not the greatest allied commander in WW2 and nothing you hypocritical buffoons say will alter that fact. I think its time that the American grew up and stopped hiding behind myths and legends created in their Hollywood studios.

    • The failure of Market Garden is not a myth. Montgomery’s poor planning, arrogance, and ambition… cost many brave soldiers and civilians their lives. A great unit, the 1st Airborne Division, was virtually destroyed.

      Afterwards, Montgomery scapegoated and laid the blame for his failure… at the feet of General StanisÅ‚aw Sosabowski. Not exactly the actions of a “Great Leader.”

      • Sorry for the long delay, I did not see the responses.
        The Ardennes was a massive blow which petered out due to the failure of the Germans to break through and separate the British and Canadians 21st Army Group from Bradley’s US Army. What is odd about the historians views is the concentration on the events at Bastogne. Much is made of the very heroic defence of the town and the truly remarkable 90 degree turn made by Patton in his dash northwards. However it was other Americans fighting along the ridges in the north that won the battle not Pattons third army. Just look at a map of the campaign and, together with the knowledge that the German objective was Antwerp, and you can see that Bastogne is in the south and is not on the route to Antwerp.
        The problem is that the American troops in the north were placed under Montgomery’s command by Eisenhower after the collapse of of Bradley’s command and control system. Montgomery did not actually do much save for listen to American General Collins who suggested that they did not withdraw to shorten the line but held firm on the (Eisenberg?) ridge. This decision and the fighting prowess of the Americans backed up by 21st Army Group stopped the advance in its tracks long enough for the weather to clear and for the Airforce, both American and British, to do its stuff and destroy the German armour from the air.
        Monty then screwed it up by his press conference which rubbed the American a Generals noses in the mess they had created.

        As to Monty taking six to nine months to organise a pencil like thrust, that is a bit unfair. France and Belgium were liberated in August, a Market Garden was launched in September, just a few weeks after the greatest victory in the west in the war.

        Market Garden failed by a hairs breadth, a bridge too far, but it was not a bad idea. Had he bounced the Rhine in September and gained a lodgement on the eastern bank of the Rhine then it is highly likely that Eisenhower would have still taken over ground forces control but in doing so he would have bought Bradley in through the gap behind Montgomery who would then have burst out into Germany just as Patton burst out into France from the Normandy battle. Had that happened then the war would have ended before December with enormous benefits for the world at large and Europe in particular. Russia would not have taken Poland, Hungary, Austria or Checheslovakia. No Berlin Wall, no a Eastern Block, no captured German Rocket scientists or Nuclear experts?

        Possibly at least possibly.

        Back to Normandy

        Again the issue of Caan on the 3rd day after D Day is greatly misunderstood. The point of the Normandy battle was to draw the German Armour onto 21st Army Group in order to all 3rd Army to build up its strength and then break out in a very wide strategic sweep to the Seine. Whether he took Caan or not was not the issue, it was the perceived threat that drew the bulk of forces to 21st Army Group that enabled Patton and Bradley to break out in the south and east.

        That was Montgomery’s plan, a master stroke of strategic brilliance. But he was politically inept, he upset just about everyone he worked with both British and American and French! Because of that he is ignored by American historians or belittled unfairly. Because of this Patton is glorified beyond his true worth, Bradley is excused his human failures by pushing him into the background and Eisenhower is elevated to almost the level,of a Ceasar, or Napoleon of even a General Lee. But the truth is that these fine men, all if them, were thrust into a completely unknown circumstance that changed daily from one horror to another and in these circumstances they all did an extraordinary job and it is time that they were all credited fairly with the great work they did in those extraordinary days.

        Barry

    • Tom,
      You lost any credibility of objectivity when you commented that Montgomery always told there truth. If you cannot see the man’s lies you cannot see the man.

      His Overlord plans were not to draw German Armor to him in order for the Americans to breakout. His plan called for a quick taking of Caen by his Army.

      • This is not true. The phase lines for the Battle of Normandy were placed where they were, not because of intention, but because of the plan of the battle. The battle was explicitly intended to draw the German forces on the hinge which was eventually used by the Americans to swing Eastward into the open, practically undefended country to the South and East of Caen. Anyone who does an analysis of the dates and placement of German armour throughout the battle will easily see that the purpose of British, Canadian and Polish forces was the unglamourous one one of crumbling German armoured forces, while the American forces made the more dramatic (and arguably romantic) wide swing to the South and East that it was Monty’s original plan of the battle that they should do. It was the battle in and around Caen, that suggested, by its fury, that it was Monty’s intention to break out towards the East, that provided the opportunity for the American forces to do precisely what they did do. The German’s had to prevent the breakout at the Schwerpunkt of the battle, which was intended to unbalance the German forces, which it successfully did. Anyone arguing that Monty’s purpose was the capture of Caen in the first day of fighting is simply whistling Dixie, as they say!

        Had Patton not got himself mired in an unnecessary series of battles on his front there is every likelihood that Monty’s Market Garden plan would have been successful, notwithstanding the placement of Model and his forces in the North, where such an attack was unexpected. Moreover, had Eisenhower not insisted on fighting all along the line, and used Rommel’s principles of infantry tactics by trying to unbalance the German army, which was at the time in retreat, by providing a Schwerpunkt to unbalance Germany’s already weakened forces (but not so much as to permit unlimited fighting along the entire front), there is every likelihood that Market Garden would have been successful — which, had Patton known it — would have given him an opportunity to break out to the South, thus surround the Ruhr. Instead, his grandstanding prolonged the war in the West by several months.

  8. As for the disputes about “Monty” versus Patton or others, the most telling book was published in the early ’70s, the Ultra Secret. It was written by a Brit who had worked at Bletchley and after much of the information on WW 2 had been declassified.
    Read thoughtfully, this book demonstrates how easy Monty had it with Rommel, how Patton was anything but over aggressive and how much our fathers suffered with the political correctness of Ike and Bradley in shifting resources away from Patton and giving them to BLM.

    • I bet the poor sods in the 8th Army at El Alamein and the 21st Army Group in Normandy thought it was easy against Rommel.

    • Good post by Barry. However, I think you underestimate BLM’s contribution at the Battle of the Bulge. He moved XXX Corps swiftly to reinforce the American defences behind the Meuse bridges and deploy his liaison officers and assess the situation in the 1st and 9th Armies cut off from Bradley stranded in Luxemborg. They found Hodges 1st Army HQ abandoned. BLM consequently was given command of all allied troops in the north and was a tactical triumph of calculated aggressive defence. BLM personally visited the US 7th Armoured Division and galvanised them with a pep talk. He did ask Major General ‘Lightening Joe’ Collins, who BLM greatly admired, to form a strategic reserve ready to go on the offensive. During this period BLM was at his very best, afterwards he was at his very worst rubbing Eisenhower’s and Bradley’s noses in it.

    • At last a witty comment! Monty was surely an insufferable ass, full of himself and little else. History ofttimes overlooks the sublime in favor of the mediocrities. Just as surely as Nelson was the greatest fighting admiral of the nineteenth century, Fletcher was in the twentieth. Also Thomas was the greatest general on either side in the civil war. But who ever heard of Fletcher or Thomas? Historians are a lazy bunch and NEVER get it right.

  9. Monty and Patton both had their strengths and both had their faults. Both wanted to lead the big push into Berlin , but Ike insisted on a broad front policy.
    It’s sad to think that here we are , after all these years
    still doing the limey /yank thing. I don’t think the fighting men of the war ever held each in such contempt , while laying down their lives along side each other. As allies we suck at trying to remember each others
    strengths. We need to remember that without each other it would not have turned out good for anyone. The same thing applies today.
    If we can’t look at each other thru unbiased eyes then
    in the next big mess maybe we shouldn’t help each other
    and see where that gets us.

    • I am not a Monty hater but this business about giving him enormous credit for taking over the North shoulder of the bulge doesn’t sit right with me. He was an Army Group commander for goodness sake! If he couldn’t be counted on to regroup cut off units in his area… what could he be counted on to do?

      He accomplished many good things in the war but this particular event was no great feat IMO.

      • Read what General Cooper-Clarke has to say about Monty during the battle of St.Vith.

  10. Monty didn’t beat romel. the fact that hitler abandoned rommel in n. africa beat rommel.

    Monty was slow and indecisive in the hedgerow campaign, the breakout from the normandy beachhead.

    Monty insisted on a plan , Market Garden, that was shown from the start to fail…2 panzer divisions in arnhem …are you kidding me. and the bastard sacrificed 15000 allied casualties for his ego.
    Patton was on the bank of the Rhine when his fuel was stopped so monty could run his messes up ego trip.

    Absolutely, one of the most overrated generals in the entire WWII.

    • On the contrary Montgomery was very decisive in Normandy, he command of the battlefield like no other. It was his ability to respond to setbacks and new eventualities with a flexible approach that made Overlord such a success. The allies got to cross the Seine 3 days early, something Eisenhower was happy to brag about but failing to have any follow on plan. Despite the skills that got him from a desk to Supreme Allied Commander in 2 years he couldn’t manage the egos of his subordinates and ended up lamely advancing slowly on a broad front, unable to sufficiently keep his armies supplied and losing the momentum Montgomery had created during Overlord.

      • How hard did you hit your head before you made this comment? Montgomery was one of the most indecisive commanders on either side throughout the entire war. He often refused to attack unless he had an overwhelming advantage, he refused to allow deviations in his battle plans, and would’ve best served the Allied cause by remaining firmly in the rear as a logistics officer. He took two months to capture the city of Caen, which should have been captured on the first day.

      • Davidht. You are miserably wrong, and, like Ike, you misunderstand the plan of the Battle of Normandy. The plan was to draw German armour onto the area around Caen, and use Caen as the hinge around which the battle would pivot, with the Americans breaking out in the South and West, which is what they did, on schedule. If you look at the balance of armour on the 22nd Army front and the American front you will see a great preponderance of armour facing the British, Canadian and Polish Forces. The phase line indicating that Caen would be taken by day 1 was nothing more than a marker, not an objective. The success of Monty’s handling of the battle was that it worked like clockwork, the British took on the main body of German troops, while the Americans had the “glory” of the breakout. The whole point of the battle towards Caen was to attract German armour, and it succeeded. That the German army was all but defeated in Normady, and ran pell mell across the North European plain is disorder is an indication of the degree of success of Monty’s plan and his handling of the battle as a whole, since he was the overall land forces commander for the Battle of Normandy.

        The problem was that Eisenhower had the strange idea of fighting continuously all along the front, and, not understanding the basic strategy of the Battle of Normandy, effectively drained away the momentum achieved in Normandy which might have been used, with a concentration of forces, to break through the Rhine. Operation Market Garden, which attempted to do this was too little, too late, and meanwhile, while Marget Garden was on, Patton made sure that he was embroiled in a battle of his own, which starved the thrust into Germany and across the Rhine with the supplies it needed.

  11. great generals of the war von Manstein, Zhukov, Patton, Guderian, Rommel, Timeoshenko,

    the brits didn’t have a great general cause they didn’t have an army…little monty always had a 2 to 1 advantage in every engagement he fought…and still had problems…when someone questioned his plan(M garden) with real intelligence ..he had the intelligence put in the looney bin.

    (Redacted). the brits have not been a major ground force player since wwi.

    Can you imagine monty crapping his pants if he was force to command an army on the eastern front.
    Full counter attacks were normal there and the need to exploit breakthroughs had to happen fast, monty would have been shot by stalin for incompetence and fired by hitler…

    yet the allied politics allowed this yahoo to command american troops…sad ….sad …sad

    • Not as sad as allowing an organiser with a nice smile who had never held command beyond a desk and had never seen a dead soldier until he arrived in 1943 command over British & Canadian soldiers.

    • Hello David, I must rebut some of your assertions here. You assert that the broad front strategy was not sound. I have a quote from German army group commander Balk who disagreed. My summation of his dispatch is that the superior mobility of allied forces allowed this to be a very effective strategy indeed! As shown in greatest effect in the Lorraine tank battles. In fact this is precisely what the US army was built for.

      • The US army may have been built for this kind of warfare, but it would not have worked against the Wehrmacht, regardless of an opinion from a German General. The fact is that it did not work, and using this strategy lost the allies some vital months. Montgomery showed in Normandy how the Wehrmacht “schwer-punkt” method worked, but unbalancing the opposition, the method that Montgomery actually used in the Battle. Wasting men and materiel on the broad front strategy was a losing strategy, and, as I say, caused the allies valuable time, letting the Wehrmacht regroup, rearm, repair, and then make their strike through the Ardennes, which was poorly defended precisely because of the broad front strategy. And Montgomery’s reinforcing of this front, which was entirely Bradley’s responsibility, shows how inept American commanders could be.

    • Patton was no a great general, nowhere in the league with Mongomery, McArthur, Rommel, Guderian, Manstein, Model, Zhukov, etc. Patton was a brilliant tank commander, and on a limited field a good tactician, but he was a poor strategist. He was, however, wasteful of the lives of his troops, and would have been unable to command an army group, since he never had a grasp of battles as a whole. That is why, though Bradley was in command at the time that Montgomery moved British troops to protect the crossing of the Meuse, there was never a breakout through the Ardennes’ salient. When Montgomery took control of the Northern flank of the bulge, he straightened the line, gave confidence to the American forces that were in some disarray, and managed to prevent a major catastrophe. It took Patton several days to fight through to Bastogne, and looked very much as though he might not make it in time. Patton is a greatly overrated American commander, and reached his limit in command of an army. Montgomery’s keen mind and system of liason officers enabled him to keep tabs on huge battles comprising the strength of many armies. The really sad part is that he was not retained in control of the land forces, with Ike as Supreme Commander. Had this happened, there is very little doubt that Germany would have capitulated in 1944.

    • “I hate monty” — that in itself says a lot: This is the worst pile of horse-shit I have seen in a long while. You obviously have no grasp of Montgomery’s generalship, which outshone all the American Commanders by a country mile. Ike, as Supreme Commander, was excellent, because he was diplomatic, but he was hopeless at commanding land forces in battle. Montgomery would have done well on the Russian front, since he was completely unflappable. He had no fear at all, and was often chided by his officers for not taking better care of himself. He was quite amused when, during the Battle of the Bulge, Bradley locked himself up in his headquarters, and was incommuicado for some time, for fear that he would be shot. Not only that, but Montgomery always had his hand on the pulse of a battle, and knew how to move troops around to best advantage. You clearly know nothing about Montgomery, and very little about the battles involved, writing so ignorantly as you do. Montgomery knew how to fight the Wehrmacht, and would have done just fine on the Eastern Front, where all the others mentioned in this thread would be all at sea.

  12. Monty’s greastest mistake was not opening the Schsldt estuary. Part of the reasoning for Market-Garden was to rid the area of V1-2 rockets that were falling on London. However, for the supply conscious Monty, he blew a get opportunity to shorten his supply lines by over 300 miles, leaving the Red Ball express roads for the Americans. (Few ever discuss the disrepair of lorries by the over-extended supply lines). As it was, the cost was over 12,000 casualties (mostly Canadiens) and a delay until Nov 28 of the port being used. Remember, the port had to be opened anyway. Mkt-Garden delayed that by over 2 months at a cost of over a complete division decimated. In short, Monty’s strategy completely cost 2 full divisions (1st AB + the Canadians). Had the port been opened, the supply lines shorten and resources not wasted on MG, the allies could have continued to press the Germans on all fronts, not allowing them a chance to regroup and bolster defenses. By the way, Monty was not the right person to run MG. He was great as a set-piece general but not one to improvise like Patton.

    • Montgomery was an innovative general, wouldn’t have been victorious at El Alamein or Overlord if he wasn’t.

      • I must agree with Mike here. I believe Montgomery’s seeming refusal to allocate more resources to the estuary as was explicitly ordered was down right insubordinate. Montgomery complained about conflicting orders. The records I’ve seen don’t reflect this.

    • In his memoirs Montgomery acknowledges the failure to clear the Western side of the Scheldt estuary as a mistake. He underestimated the number of German troops in this area. But this was also Ike’s fault, since he was in overall command, and took command of the land forces on 1 September 1944. The problem was that Ike’s headquarters was always too far away from the battle front to have any idea in time of what was happening, to be able to respond in a timely fashion to fast changing actions taking place miles away from his command post, first on the coast of the Cherbourg peninsula, and then at Versailles. At one point almost all the leading American generals were holed up at Versailles at a crucial point in the Battle of the Bulge for fear of being assassinated by German assassins dressed in US uniforms.

      American generalship overall in the European theatre of war was on the whole second rate. None of the American generals seems to have understood Montgomery’s plan in Normandy, and so unfortunate claims about British reluctance to fight were made when the British were faced with the bulk of German forces in Normandy. Bradley was seriously at fault in failing to place defences in the Ardennes, given that the Germans had surprised the allies at the very start of the war by operating through this area, where, at the time (viz., in 1940), it was thought that tanks could not be used effectively. Ike also misunderstood the strategy of the Battle of Normady (as do several American commenters here), and subsequently, having taken over land forces commmand, his headquarters was too far away from the battle to be able to make decisions that had to be made instantly or sooner. And Patton was showboating, instead of paying attention to the progress all along the front, so that when he came to Metz and the Siegfried line he was stalled for weeks, and he wouldn’t have even made the Rhine crossing effectively had it not been for the British crossing of the Rhine in the north, which drew away a lot of armour from Patton’s front. The other fault was to use the area of the bulge, and to operate Eastward from there, thus dispersing its strength. It is strange that, under the circumstances, practically every American thinks that it was the US alone that won the war.

    • Montgomery did do so when ordered, but the orders were several days too late. Besides, had Market Garden worked, as it might have done if adequately supplied, the estuary would have been isolated in any case. And remember that, at the time, Montgomery was under great pressure to put a stop to the V1 and V2 attacks on Britain which caused more damage than the Blitz.

  13. Montgomery= the slowest moving, most unimaginative, most carefullllll General I’ve ever read. Only won battles through sheer weight of his numerical superiority. Lost Many battles: First Battle of El Alamein, Dieppe Raid, Operation Charnwood, Operation Epsom, Operation Goodwood, Operation Market Garden. He lost those battles even though he had every advantage. He even had ULTRA and was reading the German plans, yet he still failed numerous times. Wow. What a mediocre General.

    • Wow what a mediocre and factually incorrect post.

      • Why mediocre and incorrect?

      • Davidht, it is not only factually correct, it is something that needed saying in this forum. The fact that not even Eisenhower understood the strategy of the Battle of Normandy, in which the British did all the hard slogging and the Americans got the glory (which is perhaps the most selfless thing that a great general has ever done), is a plain fact. And anyone who did not understand the strategy is obviously inferior in generalship to to the general whose strategy it was (that is, Montgomery). Americans have crowed about Patton’s great end run around the British. But it was Montgomery and the British who made Patton’s breakout possible. The fact that Eisenhower would not support a winning strategy is evidence enough how seriously incapable of understanding war the American generals in the theatre actually were.

    • Brian, you simply misunderstand the battles concerned. The eighth army during the first battle of El Allamein was not Montogmery, but General Sir Claude Auchinleck. Montgomery was not present for the raid on Dieppe (since he had been transferred to Egypt), though he had recommended against it before he left. That fiasco is mainly the responsibility of Lord Mountbatten, whose proposal it was. The three operations carried out during the Battle of Normandy, Charnwood, Epsom, and Goodwood, could not have succeeded, but were intended to convince the Germans that the allies were going to break out in the East, thus drawing forces away from the South-Western, American Front, to enable the breakout to take place, as it did. Not to understand this is to misunderstand the Battle of Normandy. Montgomery’s greatest failure, if it can be called that (since it did actually pave the way for the later crossing of the Rhine), was Operation Market Garden, the operation that he had recommended from the time that the Germany armies collapsed in Normandy. It was too little, too late, but, had it been adequately supported by the Americans, it would have brought the allied Armies across the Rhine in 1944, and would likely have shortened the war by several months and several thousand dead. Its failure to be given that support was a measure of the American failure in generalship.

  14. I Can’t believe I have Finally found something About my Great Grandfather Field marshal montgomery. I am so glad that I can finally learn about him thank you to who ever made this site.

    • Well, Dylan, you have a heritage to be proud of! There are lots of books about your great grandfather, including his own memoirs. Nigel Hamilton wrote a three volume biography of him, and if you get the chance you should read it. Hamilton is quite frank about some of your great grandfather’s faults, but he makes it clear what a great general he was.

  15. Other than not being present at the first battle of El Alamien, and Dieppe,looks correct to me.

    • No, Dave, Montgomery was not present at Dieppe. He was asked to comment on the plans, and he advised against the raid, which went ahead without his approval after he had been transferred to Egypt, or at least was on his way.

    • Sorry, Dave, reading your note over again I seem to have misunderstood.

  16. I think that overall Monty was a very good general during the war. We need to keep in mind the militaristic history of Germany, and the fact that Germany had more than a few good generals and soldiers. As for Monty’s failures, as a boxer named Marciano once said, “everybody’s got a plan (to beat me) until he gets hit.” The Germans were smart and tough and they hit hard.

    • Montgomery was not only a great general during the war, but as Chief of the Imperial General Staff he was one of the formative influences on the founding of NATO, and later played a more immediate personal role in NATO affairs.

  17. Montgomery, Patton, Eisenhower, etc., — all were extraordinary men. All were flawed. All had great triumphs. All made awful blunders. The situation in war is fluid, constantly changing. What is a great tactic one day is a disaster the next. But to be ultimately victorious, all you have to do is one thing: make fewer mistakes than your enemy. One can make the argument that Hitler lost the war as much as the allies won it.

    • I am not sure I have ever been able to understand your closing remark, Mark (835). After all, if someone wins, someone loses, but it scarcely makes sense to say that the reason someone won is that someone else lost. That makes a logical point, but not a substantive one. That’s simply what it means to win: that someone lost. But it takes more than a loser to win a war, or practically anything else, if it comes to that.

  18. After 70 years of research and debate, it can be categorically asserted that Montgomery as the architect and ground force commander of the D day invasion is without a doubt the greatest general of the 20th century, and as WW2 was a global conflict, he could very well be the greatest operational commander of all time. It is really sad to read the pathetic discourse from mostly american writers who can never accept that somebody other than one of theirs could be the best

    • Tom, I agree entirely, and, if he had remained land forces commander, instead of Ike, who had never commanded an army in his life, the result of the victory in Normandy would have been the absolute collapse of the German Western Front. Unfortunately, the quickly promoted colonel pulled rank on Montgomery, and possibly necessarily, since politically the Americans would have objected to continue being commanded by a British general. However, had Montgomery remained in control, the European war would in all likelihood have been over in 1944.

  19. Boy the buffoons who write posts on this blog do not know their history. I couldn’t give a rats arse about American or German or British pride. The facts are the Germans were beaten every time by Montgomery and that he was a better at winning battles than the Americans. He lead the ground forces at Normandy. He won the battle of Normandy and nothing written here can alter those historical facts. Montgomery is by far the greatest fighting general of the 20th century. As he said himself, who care what ill informed people write, we won the war!!) As for the Russians, I am sure something like 30 million peasants died in securing their victories.

  20. Watch this video (starting at 35:00)for one of the best histories of MacArther: also, Layton in his book AND I WAS THERE verifies that MacArther’s air commander wanted to attack the Japanese before they could move against the Americans in SE Asia after Pearl Harbor…as a matter of fact, Layton says that the Japanese would have been caught
    on the runway at the Japanese forward air base, loaded with bombs and fuel, had MacArther’s air commander been allowed to attack when it was planned by him (they would have gone up in SMOKE and would have stopped the Phillipines invasion for a long time!). The Washington military command wanted to leave him in Corregador and let the Japanese capture him; it was the Aussies and England that convinced Washington that he should be saved for publicity reasons.

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